Friday, July 14, 2006

Zidane: Listen Up: The Art and Science of Trash-Talking

The ANNOTICO Report

Preface:

When one doesn't have the Intellect or Verbal Skills to Respond to "put downs", and doesn't have the Emotional Maturity or Control to Ignore them, then a lesser person will react like Zidane, with "naked brute" force!!!!!!  But the most disappointing part is that Zidane who takes pride in his "tough" background "whines"  that he was subjected to "bad words". Perhaps about his advanced years, his virility, his skinny legs....?  :) :) Poor Thing ;) ;)

Materazzi feels that words said on the field are best left there, and if Zidane wishes to state them , then it is Zidane's prerogative. But Zidane denying earlier claims of "terrorist", so far has declined to reveal them, perhaps realizing that the words weren't so terrible after all, and revealing them might make Zidane seem a silly, petty weakling. 

But in "Trash Talking" there are NO Limits!!! The More Outrageous the "talk" is, the LESS Truth it contains, and your opponent  is merely "goading" you, "verbally dueling". Respond or Ignore. But if you  Foul, or Complain, ...You Lose !!

Maybe the "snooty" French, even an Algerian, thought that a "taunt" in response to Zidane's sarcasm coming from a "lesser"  Italian was absolutely intolerable. Maybe the Italians have "thicker" skins having been subjected to France's false superiority complex for so long. The poor "frogs" give little value to the Culture we taught them, starting with Catherine DeMedici through the Renaissance, while they pine for their lost Exploitive, Oppressive Colonial Empire. 

Trash Talk; the Art and the Science

From David the who bested Goliath, through  Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb to Mohammed Ali, Reggie Jackson even Babe Zaharias, James Toney,  Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Shannon Sharpe, Charles Barkley, Warren Sapp, Bob Knight, Fred Smoot, Michael Jordan and Larry Bird are among All Time Best "Trash Talkers".

Trash talk:  The practice of boasting and insulting one's foes on court or afield, may be one of our culture's most beloved, and most reviled, phenomena.The act of using brash, clever, demeaning, and/or boastful verbal taunts in order to weaken your opponents resolve, and to give yourself a psychological edge over them.

Trash: The Art of the Talk-- from Tiger Boxing.com- - -James Toney is an all-time great Trash-talker. If there were a Trash-talking Hall of Fame, Toney would get in on the first ballot. Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather are other great nominations, with Cassius Clay/Mohammed Ali being the Champ.

The Art and Science of Trash Talking - from Sporting News- - - NFL receivers voted Vikings cornerback Fred Smoot the biggest trash talker, and - was the runaway choice, receiving 25 of 47 votes. No other DB had more than four.

"He talks from the opening kickoff until the final gun," an AFC wideout says. "Even in warmups, he's talking. He picks his battles, but he knows who to talk trash with. He can wear you down just with his mouth."But Smoot doesn't talk aimlessly--he has a plan. In fact, he provided a first-person primer on the sweet science of verbal warfare.

Talking the Talk, An Art All It's Own - In Psychology of Sports & Denver Post - Shannon Sharpe, The Mouth from the South, the most prolific pass-catching tight end in NFL history, can never resist an opportunity to exercise his jaw.

But before Sharpe, and before Reggie Jackson, Charles Barkley, Warren Sapp and Bob Knight, or any of the other prime-time sports figures who blended their enormous egos with a gift for gab, there was the self-proclaimed "King of the World." Mohammed Ali

Trash-talking always has been a part of sports. Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb were notorious baiters and braggarts on the diamond. Michael Jordan and Larry Bird's on-court trash-talking could burn the ears of a longshoreman. But Ali and his disciples went public with their verbal games. Their mouths roared on TV screen and in print.

 The Art of Trash Talk- Psychology Today- - -Sports history is filled with famous trash talkers. One well-known athlete, a young man named David, was able to use a verbal attack to his benefit in a battle with a heavily favored foe. "I will strike you down and cut off your head," David proclaims to his much larger enemy, Goliath, in the first chapter of the biblical book of Samuel. And the rest! is trash-talking history.

All Four Articles are Below in their Entirety. The List of Dos and Don'ts are included.

 

Trash: The Art of the Talk

TigerBoxing.com
05/18/2005 - Toronto
By Robert Potwin

Trash talk: The act of using brash, clever, demeaning, and/or boastful verbal taunts in order to weaken your opponent’s resolve, and to give yourself a psychological edge over them. This phenomenon is becoming increasingly common in our society, particularly in sports. Although opinions vary widely as to its relative merits, there’s no denying that trash talk has been on the rise for a number of years.

...Whatever its merits, trash-talking is a part of boxing, and if recent events have called a brief arrest to one of its leading practitioners, there is little doubt that they will re-emerge in full force once again.

When James Toney outboxed WBA Heavyweight Championship John Ruiz on April 30, boxing almost entered a new era in trash talking. A major belt in boxing’s marquee division moved briefly from one of the most bland champions in history, to one of the loudest, rudest, and most brash in Lights Out Toney. Most fans of the sport seemed hopeful that the era of “Lights Out” as Champion would have been a colorful one, and put the sport back in the mainstream...

Nonetheless, drugs or no, James Toney is an all-time great Trash-talker. If there were a Trash-talking Hall of Fame, Toney would get in on the first ballot. In fact, he would be sitting in the lead car at the induction parade, waving a blow-horn, and loudly shouting venomous but highly amusing insults at the people lining the streets. If it seemed sure that James Toney was going to spice things up in the Heavyweight division, his skills in the verbal art of trash-talk are surely going to be tested again when he emerges from his 90-day suspension.

With his credo to fight “anyone, anywhere, anytime,” Toney’s antics as contender - however brief they may wind up being given his age and tendency toward injury  could still be a fun ride: Toney versus Vitali Klitschko? Id pay $39.99 just to listen to Toney insult the lumbering Ukrainian at a press conferenceHasim Rahman? He’s no slouch in the verbal-sparring department himself, and the run up to that fight could wind up being the trash-talk equivalent of Barrera-Morales.

Toney’s relentless verbal assault might even drive even the pious Chris Byrd to foam-at-the-mouth-madness: Imagine a press conference at which Toney uses the spoken equivalent of Chinese water torture to continually goad the IBF Champ; pushing his buttons until the squeaky clean Byrd completely loses his cool and unleashes a string of F-bombs, or worse; takes a swing at his smirking nemesis! Not necessarily a pretty picture, but it would certainly a lot more entertaining than watching Byrd and Holyfield or McCline compliment each other to death.

Some fighters are just as skilled in the art of verbal warfare as they are at boxing itself, and they instinctively know how to gain a psychological edge over their opponent using words and implications. Toney is perhaps the best of this breed of fighters, who use trash-talk as an effective weapon in their arsenal: He shows absolutely no fear or respect to his opponents when he speaks, and his barbs often seem to have had an actual effect on his opponents confidence level, or at least to have caused them to come into the ring angry and therefore “out of their game.”

His fight against John Ruiz was, in my opinion, a perfect example: Toney taunted Ruiz endlessly prior to the fight. He insulted his style, and said that Ruiz  who takes great pride in his heritage, and the fact that he is the first Heavyweight belt-holder of Latin descent - was not a true “Latin fighter” because he “fought scared”, and as someone purely trying to avoid being knocked out. The result? I know that Ruiz would never be mistaken for Erik Morales, but the fighter I saw in the ring against Toney seemed tentative and utterly lacking in any sort of “fire.” I thought he surrendered his title rather meekly, and I would argue this was due in part to the psychological beatdown that Toney laid on him in the run up to the fight. Ruiz, to me, wore the body language, and fought the fight, of a psychologically beaten man.

Like James Toney, long-reigning Middleweight Champion Bernard Hopkins has used his own brand of trash-talk often and to good effect. “The Executioner” has backed it up  and then some  by putting his money where his mouth is in the ring, over and over again. People still talk about the day, when, prior to fighting an undefeated and larger-than-life Felix Trinidad, Hopkins insulted a nation by stomping on the Puerto Rican flag. At the time, Hopkins was seen by most as a significant underdog, and this seemed like the foolish act of a desperate manperspective tells a different story though, and one wonders what sort of impact this had on Trinidad’s confidence going in: Why isn’t this man showing me the respect/fear that I deserve? Doesn’t he understand who I am and what I’ve done? Were these thoughts in the back or Trinidads mind? Obviously, I cant claim to actually know, but it seems quite plausible that he might wonder what kind of man he was dealing with, and that thi! s may have had an effect on him.

Was it perhaps reminiscent of Sonny Liston’s reaction to a young Cassius Clay, whereby the scary-tough Champion in fact grew to fear his trash-talking opponent, thinking that he was, in effect, completely crazy, and therefore unpredictable? Certainly, the unparalleled skills that Hopkins showed in the ring spoke for themselves, but certainly his words and his psychological posture up to that point had an impact. Hopkins and Toney are perfect examples of fighters who use trash-talk as a part of their arsenal, and do so very effectively, because at the end of the day they back up their verbal assault with ability and guts.

There is, however a definite flip side to the trash-talking coin:... fighters come across as cocky, mean-spirited, and insecure.

I would argue that “Pretty Boy” Floyd Mayweather is currently the best example of this breed of fighter: Bluntly put, he cuts a thoroughly unlikable figure, and leaves one hoping that his next opponent will find a way to shut his mouth and wipe that smug look off his face. Will Arturo Gatti, Mayweather’s next opponent, be this fighter? Perhaps he will, perhaps he wont, but you can be assured of one thing: Virtually every fan watching this fight, whether on TV or in the arena, will be cheering for Gatti to do so, particularly if they’ve heard Mayweather spew his particular breed of ugliness towards his brave and dignified warrior-opponent.

Another very “mainstream” example of a cocky and arrogant trash-talking fighter could be seen on "The Contender," in the form of the twice-beaten - but never-at-a-loss-for-words - Ahmed Kaddour: He never passed up an opportunity to spout off about how great he was, but unlike Bernard Hopkins (and, admittedly Floyd Mayweather up to this point) he could not back up his trash-talk in the ring, and was summarily thrashed  twice  by the men he had dissed.

If you believe in karma, perhaps you can take comfort in the idea that fighters like Kaddour and Mayweather flout the rule of karma, and that in doing so they run the risk of suffering a particularly spectacular one-punch knockout at some in their respective careers. Perhaps they even realize this on some level, and perhaps thats the point: Some people need to feel fear, or feel that everyone is against them, in order to be motivated. In this sense, trash-talk certainly serves a useful purpose for this type of fighter as well.

Whatever one’s opinion is of trash-talking and its place in boxing, there is no denying that it seems to be on the rise. Despite Toney’s prompt departure from the Championship scene, the build-up to Bernard Hopkins’ imminent retirement, and the fact that Floyd Mayweather will be engaging in the biggest fight of his career this summer will undoubtedly be a fertile ground for some more colorful talk. .... when it’s done well, by practitioners who intuitively grasp its potential to entertain and energize, it can add ever-more interesting dynamics to an already-compelling situation.

I would argue that the fact that it can at least prompt people to care who wins is merit enough, given that complete and utter indifference is arguably the only “sin” that this great sport must seek to avoid at all costs.

http://www.tigerboxing.com/

articles/index.php?aid=1001245075

 

The Art and Science of Trash-Talking

Sporting News 

Katie Koss 

Dec 23, 2005  

Earlier this season, we asked wide receivers which defensive back was the biggest trash-talker. Vikings cornerback Fred Smoot was the runaway choice, receiving 25 of the 47 votes. No other DB had more than four.

"He talks from the opening kickoff until the final gun," an AFC wideout says. "Even in warmups, he's talking. He picks his battles, but he knows who to talk trash with. He can wear you down just with his mouth."

But Smoot doesn't talk aimlessly--he has a plan. In fact, he provided a first-person primer on the sweet science of verbal warfare.

DO'S

1. Always study your opponent. Find out their weaknesses and their strengths. Then you need to find out some dirt. And when I say dirt, it's dirt.

The NFL is like a big fraternity. I might be here (in Minnesota), but Ellis Wyms, we went to college together, and now he's playing for Tampa Bay. Me and Dwight Smith, we went to the awards banquet in college together; now he plays for the Saints. So I can call these guys up when I want to know something about Joe Horn or Michael Clayton. All defensive players are on each other's side.

2. Work on delivery. Watch a lot of BET's Comic View and a lot of Dave Chappelle. You've got to have a delivery, and it's got to be natural. If that's not your personality, you can't trash-talk.

I've always been a talker. When I was real young, playing pee-wee ball, that's the way I used to get comfortable in the game. I haven't worn a mouthpiece since I was in junior high school because I couldn't talk with it in.

3. Press the advantage. I can tell by small things that I've gotten inside a guy's head. That's when I start really spitting in your face, so you might need a towel to wipe it. Now I start to go to your sideline and tell your coaches, "You better put somebody else in the game--I've got him."

DON'TS

1. Avoid making it too personal. Don't do anything that ever truly hits home. Something that's true to the heart ... you don't go there. You don't want to be a heathen. It's all in fun, you know, love and war.

2. Silence is not an option. If you give up a play, you can not stop talking trash. You can't let him shut you up because he made one play on you. It's going to happen. II you're going to be a talker, you must be a talker at all times.

3. Stop the noise--if you suck. You've got to be able to go out there and handle your business. If you cannot play the game, you cannot really talk. There's nothing for you to talk about, actually.

 

Talking The Talk an Art All its Own


Denver Post

In Psycology of Sports

King Shannon, the Denver Broncos' mouth from the South, held court...in a retirement ceremony that was solemn, funny and engaging, Shannon Sharpe, the most prolific pass-catching tight end in NFL history, couldn't resist another opportunity to exercise his jaw.

In keeping with his nature, the loquacious one had plenty to say, including explaining why he talks so loud and proud.

"I remember when I was at school, they said, 'Be quiet and talk when you get home,'" Sharpe said. "And my grandmother would tell me, 'Shut up and talk when you get to school.' So my grandma won out. I talked at school. I would come home with As and Bs -- and an F in conduct."

Sharpe undoubtedly is the greatest talker in Colorado sports history, and he can hold his own on a national level.

But before Sharpe, and before Reggie Jackson, Charles Barkley, Warren Sapp and Bob Knight, or any of the other prime-time sports figures who blended their enormous egos with a gift for gab, there was the self-proclaimed "King of the World."

On Thanksgiving Day 1996, Muhammad Ali was chilling out with Thomas Hauser, his friend and biographer.

The Kansas City Chiefs and Detroit Lions were on television. A Chiefs player scored a touchdown and performed the obligatory end zone dance.

"You started that," Hauser recalls telling Ali. "All that dancing and celebrating and showing off started with you."

A smile crossed the champ's face.

"He was quite pleased with the observation," Hauser said. "And he said, 'I started the big salaries, too. Big salaries started when me and Joe Frazier got $2.5 million each the first time we fought.'"

Ali, the heavyweight champion who transcended sports as no other athlete has, talked the talk not just inside the ring, but outside of it, too. For better or worse, he set athlete's mouths in motion.

"I think Muhammad has an edge on all of us, because he was the first," Sharpe said. "He's the gold standard to which everyone else who comes after him will be compared."

Hauser, author of the bestseller "Muhammad Ali, His Life and Times," said that, for the most part, Ali's lip service was all in good fun.

"First, the biggest difference between Ali and all of the other talkers that came after him is that Ali did it with a wink," Hauser said. "A lot of guys today don't understand that. Obviously, when Ali was in the ring punishing Ernie Terrell and Floyd Patterson, he didn't do it with a wink. And there were other times, when he was speaking about the Vietnam War, he was speaking in a very serious way.

"But most of his trash-talking, the stuff we remember him for -- 'I'm going to whip that big, ugly bear (Sonny Liston)' -- he said it with a wink."

Ali was funny and lively and many media members fell under his spell.

"When he was younger and at his peak, he was as good as (comedian) Robin Williams," Hauser said. "If you look at the tapes of his old press conferences, they were amazing. Just think about his mummy imitation of George Foreman."

Trash-talking always has been a part of sports. Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb were notorious baiters and braggarts on the diamond. Michael Jordan and Larry Bird's on-court trash-talking could burn the ears of a longshoreman. But Ali and his disciples went public with their verbal games. Their mouths roared on TV screen and in print.

Ali, ever the showman, recognized the entertainment value of his braggadocio. So did Jackson, the Hall of Fame slugger who came to New York City, joined the Yankees and proclaimed he was the "the straw that stirs the drink." In the opinion of longtime New York Times columnist Dave Anderson, Jackson is sport's No. 2 talker of all-time, trailing only Ali.

"I loved talking to Reggie because he always had something to say," Anderson said. "He wasn't always loud, necessarily, but he meant what he said. Now, Reggie was a great promoter, but most of what he said was true. I remember one of his great lines was, 'The magnitude of me.' That's some kind of line when you're talking about yourself."

It was Jackson, after all, who uttered the following: "The only reason I don't like playing in the World Series is I can't watch myself play."

Male athletes don't hold a monopoly on outspokenness. Even before Ali, there was Babe Didrikson Zaharias. The Babe won two Olympic gold medals at the 1932 Summer Games, in the javelin and the 80-meter hurdles. A year later, at age 21, she took up golf and dominated the sport. In 1945, she competed with the men in the Los Angeles Open. The Babe was Ali-like in her boastfulness.

"I'll never forget a time Babe really got into a drive, knocking it way down the middle of the fairway," longtime Colorado golfer Charles Lind recalled. "She turned to me as I was ready to hit and announced, 'Take your girdle off and try to catch up with that one, fella.'"

There were plenty of linebackers who tried, and failed, to catch up with Sharpe on the football field. He said he knows he could still play if he wanted to. But last month when he was offered the chance to become an NFL analyst for CBS Sports, he grabbed it. Sharpe said his next goal is to win an Emmy -- and he just might pull it off.

"Shannon Sharpe is a great mouth because there is a brain behind it," ESPN broadcaster Chris Berman said.

But Sharpe will have to go some to best Barkley, who has followed up his boisterous hoop days with a career as a colorful, outspoken NBA analyst for TNT. During this year's playoffs, Barkley unloaded on just about everything and everybody. Commenting on two Los Angeles Lakers veterans, Barkley spewed this: "Karl Malone and Gary Payton were great in their day, but they're not in their day."

Dr. Alexander Robinson, the physician for the Miami Boxing Commission announced that Ali (Cassius Clay at the time) was "emotionally unbalanced, scared to death and liable to crack up before he enters the ring."

But it was all a show. During his supposed meltdown, Ali winked at boxing legend Sugar Ray Robinson. Then Ali went on to whip Liston, who had called Ali "crazy." It wasn't the first time Ali used words as a weapon.

"When he was 12 years old and started fighting as an amateur, Ali would stick his head inside his opponent's locker room and say, 'Which one of you is the guy I'm beating up tonight?'" Hauser said. "He did it all along in his career and he did it to boost his confidence."

When Sharpe was a skinny little kid growing up in Glennville, Ga., his nickname was Pee Wee. He started talking loud simply because he wanted the attention.

On June 3, he was the center of attention. When he begins talking for CBS this fall, his words will matter more than his deeds. Though he tips his hat to the Ali legend, Sharpe figures his mouth and wit are a match for anyone on the scene today.

"I think me and Charles Barkley are running neck and neck," Sharpe said. "I mean, my mom talks all the time. My grandma talks all the time. So it's inherent for me to talk. I can't help it, it's who I am. But it also helps to know what you're talking about."

 

http://www.psychologyofsports.com/

guest/trashtalk.htm

 

 

 

 

The Art of Trash Talk


Deals with the trash talk in sports events and its cultural implication. Decline of sportsmanship in relation to loss of civility; Comments from sociologist Joe Lapchick; Example of trash talker in sports.

Pyscology Today

By: Jason Silverman

COMPETITION

As the NBA season starts, the sound of basketballs bouncing--and players mouthing off--fills the air.

Trash talk, the practice of boasting and insulting one's foes on court or afield, may be one of our culture's most beloved, and most reviled, phenomena. Commercials from athletic companies such as Nike often glorify trash talking, suggesting that bad manners are essential to good basketball. But cultural critics see in trash talk the decline of sportsmanship and consider it yet another sign of society's general loss of civility.

...Far from trashing trash talk, however, Richard Lapchick, Ph.D., contends that it actually serves a good purpose.

Founder of the the Center for the Study of Sport in Society at Northeastern University and son of NBA player and coach Joe Lapchick, the sociologist points out that while "the language has changed, and the form is different," trash talk has historically given players a mental edge over their opponents.

"Those who are older know that trash talking has been part of basketball and football for a long time," Lapchick notes.

But does it work? Jonathan Katz, Ph.D., a Manhattan-based clinical sports psychologist : "Players feel they can intimidate other players by getting into their heads,"...

Still, sports history is filled with famous trash talkers. One well-known athlete, a young man named David, was able to use a verbal attack to his benefit in a battle with a heavily favored foe. "I will strike you down and cut off your head," David proclaims to his much larger enemy, Goliath, in the first chapter of the biblical book of Samuel. And the rest! is trash-talking history.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/

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